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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number 677

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for the 26th of september 2021 richard

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saunders coming to you from

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the skeptic zone mobile yes i'm sitting

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in the car in a lineup

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at a local covert 19 testing center

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i am getting a precautionary test simply

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because i've been asked to do a little

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bit of

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work in the entertainment industry later

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this week wow that's uh that's great to

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be able to get a little bit of something

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and one of the requirements is a

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negative covert test fair enough what a

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good idea so i'm lined up

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and ahead of me there are about seven

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eight nine cars

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or i can see a nurse or somebody popping

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along the car windows

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sort of organizing things at the moment

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coming up on this week's show something

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a little bit different

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in the past week australia had quite an

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earthquake uh centered near melbourne

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and we're going to uh pick up the story

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just after the earthquake when the great

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australian prediction crew were meeting

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talking about

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earthquakes as we spoke about

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earthquakes there was an earthquake that

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was quite something michelle biggesmar

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what it's like to sit through

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an earthquake

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and a big shout out to michelle

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biggesmar our reporter in melbourne

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it's uh

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it's not every day you sit there on zoom

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and watch somebody shaking in their seat

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wondering what's going on

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and following that it's a look at tick

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could almost be a song couldn't it

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i uh recently got into tick-tock to have

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as uh

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as i'd like to know what's sort of going

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on out there and i discovered many weird

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things on tick tock of course but lots

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of people doing tarot card reading so i

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thought i would investigate that

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after that it's the australian skeptics

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newsletter once again

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read by adrian hill in canada sort of

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skeptic's newsletter read by a canadian

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it just works then the round off the

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show it's tarot cards once again as we

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dive into the pages of trove and other

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the digital archives and discover what

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references we can find to tarot cards

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including a very interesting piece from

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here in australia about the history of

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oh we're moving forward okay

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and six seven cars yeah some have gone

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into the testing center and i'm still

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here all right good

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this is happening quicker than i thought

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this is good i've been waiting in these

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queues sometimes for over an hour but

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to be through in about 10 minutes so

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that's really great stay tuned at the

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end of the episode for more

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announcements from me but now it's time

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well sit in the car and get a covered

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okay we're yeah we're back now we're

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this is one of those things where you

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there's six seven of us doing

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predictions as we do every week for the

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crazy and imagining it and i was looking

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um so while i didn't madly

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solve the problem of showing everybody i

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sanity check and we looked up

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earthquake alerts or it's a tremor yeah

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bizarre the timing could be not more

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should be discussing earthquakes why one

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of us has an earthquake is exactly one

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of those and we're discussing them on a

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before she said anything and made all

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these wild claims and you mentioned that

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do you need to do a check around your

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house michelle is everything all right

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predictions about these things and i

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area that i grew up in i think they're

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trying to tell me something i think they

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position could this be a warning

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do not mark my tip predictions wrong

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well as will come out in the report one

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of the predictions that they made

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themselves kerry culkins made was that

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i really am please give our love to the

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skeptical fairy if you see her and we'll

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hello this is maynard did you know that

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you could listen to the skeptic zone on

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youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's

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also you can hear 40 logical fallacies

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tic toc that there's a little button a

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little uh button at the top of the

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of live videos people there talking to

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the camera about everything you can

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it's a strange thing

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stock standard sort of stuff and i

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comments are appear on the screen

285
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and the tarot card readers would

286
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invariably say who's next

287
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if you want a reading

288
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do this that on the other and you'll be

289
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next in line and i soon discovered that

290
00:12:12,389 --> 00:12:09,200
in many cases that is if you

291
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pay via whatever means vimeo or whatever

292
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you're next in line or you'll be in the

293
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queue

294
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so i thought i'd play you a few examples

295
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of what i discovered just the other day

296
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at random

297
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going through tick tock and then i might

298
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talk a little bit about using tarot

299
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cards themselves

300
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our first example comes from an account

301
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called spiritual tweak

302
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susie lee

303
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and this

304
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had at the time of uh

305
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at the time i recorded this snippet

306
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okay

307
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um you've got

308
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the in the past you've got the ten of

309
00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:06,980
swords

310
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[Music]

311
00:13:12,710 --> 00:13:11,040
in the current or present you have the

312
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six of wands

313
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and in the future you have the nine of

314
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pentacles okay

315
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so

316
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or heartbreak yes

317
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i mean it kind of goes hand in hand with

318
00:13:30,230 --> 00:13:28,240
betrayal but you've been stabbed in the

319
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back you've been hurt

320
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and

321
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look kind of left for dead basically on

322
00:13:36,389 --> 00:13:35,120
the shore

323
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and

324
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i love this card in this deck because

325
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the the 10 of swords is always a card

326
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actually of hope because

327
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it's the last um

328
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the last one in the in the suit and

329
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next we have somebody under the account

330
00:14:03,350 --> 00:14:01,040
of healthy tarot one one one and the

331
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amount being requested was

332
00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:05,360
five to fifteen dollars presumably

333
00:14:07,670 --> 00:14:06,720
fifteen dollars gets you a longer

334
00:14:10,310 --> 00:14:07,680
reading

335
00:14:12,470 --> 00:14:10,320
and this account at the time had 81

336
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viewers

337
00:14:16,389 --> 00:14:14,720
nope i'm sorry i got k i got nekoji i

338
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:16,399
did not get your your payment girl i

339
00:14:18,550 --> 00:14:17,680
promise i was not ignoring you i didn't

340
00:14:20,949 --> 00:14:18,560
get it

341
00:14:22,230 --> 00:14:20,959
carla bree carla bree what have we got

342
00:14:24,150 --> 00:14:22,240
carla bree

343
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four of pentacles balance and stability

344
00:14:28,069 --> 00:14:26,320
right this is really sometimes better

345
00:14:29,590 --> 00:14:28,079
than like the big car the big

346
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manifestation because it does give us

347
00:14:32,710 --> 00:14:31,920
like a a ground level to jump off of

348
00:14:34,710 --> 00:14:32,720
right

349
00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:34,720
that's the really important thing if you

350
00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:36,160
think that you missed a reading and i

351
00:14:39,430 --> 00:14:37,760
really am not getting it message me on

352
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wherever you sent it venmo cash up

353
00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:41,760
whatever message me so i can see it i i

354
00:14:46,230 --> 00:14:43,920
am not missing a reading sierra what

355
00:14:48,470 --> 00:14:46,240
have we got sierra

356
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says the tough part with the way that

357
00:14:52,710 --> 00:14:50,720
the apps are set up right sometimes they

358
00:14:54,389 --> 00:14:52,720
just don't go through too sierra three

359
00:14:56,629 --> 00:14:54,399
of wands in reverse position i wouldn't

360
00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,639
be afraid of being alone you know i i

361
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:58,079
really think that you're afraid of this

362
00:15:00,790 --> 00:14:59,199
and that you're you're going on this

363
00:15:02,389 --> 00:15:00,800
path that feels really independent maybe

364
00:15:03,910 --> 00:15:02,399
a little bit lonely i would kind of

365
00:15:05,590 --> 00:15:03,920
cherish this sometimes being alone

366
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:05,600
really helps us understand ourselves

367
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:08,959
better i like it for you emma

368
00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:11,120
and now we have an account called bc

369
00:15:14,069 --> 00:15:12,320
beachbum

370
00:15:16,269 --> 00:15:14,079
74

371
00:15:21,829 --> 00:15:16,279
and this account at the time had

372
00:15:26,150 --> 00:15:23,590
i might move back to the guardian cards

373
00:15:28,389 --> 00:15:26,160
after this one

374
00:15:29,430 --> 00:15:28,399
nine of ones this is your career card

375
00:15:32,310 --> 00:15:29,440
okay

376
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:32,320
almost there you can see the finish line

377
00:15:36,470 --> 00:15:34,000
at the last minute

378
00:15:38,550 --> 00:15:36,480
you're faced with another obstacle this

379
00:15:40,949 --> 00:15:38,560
challenge can be seen as a setback or a

380
00:15:43,189 --> 00:15:40,959
test of your character expect the worst

381
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:43,199
and protect yourself

382
00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:45,519
protect yourself against any formidable

383
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:47,839
attacks better to be prepared now rather

384
00:15:50,310 --> 00:15:49,040
than later

385
00:15:52,069 --> 00:15:50,320
throughout this journey you have

386
00:15:53,990 --> 00:15:52,079
accumulated experience and gained enough

387
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:54,000
wisdom to handle anything that is thrown

388
00:15:57,670 --> 00:15:55,519
your way

389
00:15:59,269 --> 00:15:57,680
hmm

390
00:16:01,430 --> 00:15:59,279
now maybe by now you're getting an idea

391
00:16:02,710 --> 00:16:01,440
of how the patter how the

392
00:16:03,749 --> 00:16:02,720
reading

393
00:16:05,350 --> 00:16:03,759
works

394
00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,360
what's this one we have a little clip

395
00:16:09,189 --> 00:16:07,440
here from an account called

396
00:16:11,350 --> 00:16:09,199
lm riley

397
00:16:13,990 --> 00:16:11,360
and you'll be pleased to know they had

398
00:16:17,430 --> 00:16:14,000
118 viewers and they

399
00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:17,440
were asking for money via cash app and

400
00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:20,160
vemmo now vm vemmo

401
00:16:24,629 --> 00:16:23,040
the vimo it's not available in australia

402
00:16:29,430 --> 00:16:24,639
i have heard about it but

403
00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:31,269
tammy

404
00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:33,810
when will i find a job

405
00:16:39,189 --> 00:16:36,160
[Music]

406
00:16:41,829 --> 00:16:39,199
when you go look for one

407
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:41,839
when you work on like the balance

408
00:16:45,509 --> 00:16:44,079
tammy like finding the job like you need

409
00:16:47,269 --> 00:16:45,519
to be balancing

410
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:47,279
what you need and where you need to be

411
00:16:51,509 --> 00:16:49,680
living and like your hours like make

412
00:16:53,110 --> 00:16:51,519
sure that you are available enough for a

413
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:53,120
job

414
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,440
is jordan

415
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:57,680
cheating on me

416
00:17:01,590 --> 00:16:58,880
is

417
00:17:04,549 --> 00:17:01,600
jordan cheating on me

418
00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,559
um the lover's reversed that's

419
00:17:08,150 --> 00:17:06,559
definitely an indication that there's

420
00:17:10,470 --> 00:17:08,160
definitely some [\h__\h] wrong in that

421
00:17:12,230 --> 00:17:10,480
relationship uh you definitely need to

422
00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:12,240
talk to them this is also an indication

423
00:17:16,710 --> 00:17:14,319
that a breakup is imminent

424
00:17:18,069 --> 00:17:16,720
but the levers is also a good sign you

425
00:17:18,819 --> 00:17:18,079
know no matter what direction it's

426
00:17:21,189 --> 00:17:18,829
pulled in

427
00:17:23,189 --> 00:17:21,199
[Music]

428
00:17:25,029 --> 00:17:23,199
you definitely need to talk to them

429
00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:25,039
to jordan

430
00:17:29,300 --> 00:17:27,360
hey if i am reading for you please send

431
00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:29,310
me likes tap my face

432
00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:30,559
[Music]

433
00:17:34,390 --> 00:17:33,039
now a brief clip from an account called

434
00:17:35,590 --> 00:17:34,400
spiritual

435
00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:35,600
essence

436
00:17:41,190 --> 00:17:38,000
only 20 viewers at the time

437
00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:41,200
and also asking for money using

438
00:17:53,350 --> 00:17:49,830
i have a grandfather whose name starts

439
00:17:57,750 --> 00:17:54,870
whose grandfather who has a grandfather

440
00:18:00,549 --> 00:17:57,760
that passed their name starts with a g

441
00:18:02,630 --> 00:18:00,559
i guess where it could be a father

442
00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:02,640
i'm really in towards grandfather

443
00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:04,320
i have to sneeze

444
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,510
so we might have had allergies

445
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:15,190
jean and that's your grandfather your

446
00:18:23,430 --> 00:18:22,150
i like doing mediumship is this your dad

447
00:18:26,390 --> 00:18:23,440
and now here's an example from the

448
00:18:29,590 --> 00:18:26,400
account called hilos hollywood hello

449
00:18:32,150 --> 00:18:29,600
hillios hollywood uh and they had 88

450
00:18:34,070 --> 00:18:32,160
viewers and my little notes saying here

451
00:18:36,390 --> 00:18:34,080
when i was recording this

452
00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:36,400
that uh they were using the cards to

453
00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:38,400
tell a story let's have a listen put

454
00:18:41,510 --> 00:18:40,160
your business out there

455
00:18:43,669 --> 00:18:41,520
alrighty

456
00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:43,679
let's take a look here isaiah now like i

457
00:18:46,870 --> 00:18:45,360
said the moon does have duality so

458
00:18:48,470 --> 00:18:46,880
that's why we can put these cards on

459
00:18:50,549 --> 00:18:48,480
here let's take a closer look at the

460
00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,559
moon card over here on this side there

461
00:18:55,190 --> 00:18:52,960
is a tower that tower is topped by a

462
00:18:57,190 --> 00:18:55,200
monk-like figure right there in a dark

463
00:18:59,830 --> 00:18:57,200
robe that is the tower of faith

464
00:19:02,230 --> 00:18:59,840
spirituality or religion across from

465
00:19:04,310 --> 00:19:02,240
that is a higher tower and it's built

466
00:19:06,549 --> 00:19:04,320
very solidly and atop that is a

467
00:19:09,270 --> 00:19:06,559
telescope that's galileo's telescope

468
00:19:11,669 --> 00:19:09,280
actual actually and that is the tower of

469
00:19:14,310 --> 00:19:11,679
science the tower of science is being

470
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:14,320
guarded by anubis so if you are into

471
00:19:19,110 --> 00:19:16,320
ancient egyptian culture this is

472
00:19:21,510 --> 00:19:19,120
actually a protection for that tower

473
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:21,520
however nothing can be protected in this

474
00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:23,840
landscape because there is a very scary

475
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:26,400
crustacean that's coming up from the sea

476
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:28,320
and about ready to ravage the landscape

477
00:19:33,029 --> 00:19:30,960
and destroy both towers that is a little

478
00:19:34,549 --> 00:19:33,039
a bridge version of the tower card if

479
00:19:36,710 --> 00:19:34,559
you didn't know in traditional tarot

480
00:19:38,310 --> 00:19:36,720
each card does have a story

481
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,320
and that's this one this card is a

482
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:40,400
warning it's an omen this is the first

483
00:19:44,390 --> 00:19:42,880
omen in traditional tarot

484
00:19:47,190 --> 00:19:44,400
so i think that gives you a flavor i

485
00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,200
think you get the idea and um at other

486
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:49,679
times at random

487
00:19:52,390 --> 00:19:51,280
over

488
00:19:54,150 --> 00:19:52,400
most of the day

489
00:19:55,430 --> 00:19:54,160
even in the wee small hours of the night

490
00:19:57,909 --> 00:19:55,440
i was

491
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,919
looking and discovering that there are

492
00:20:03,190 --> 00:20:00,000
many many many many live

493
00:20:05,350 --> 00:20:03,200
tarot cards going on at any time

494
00:20:07,029 --> 00:20:05,360
at any time on tiktok

495
00:20:08,710 --> 00:20:07,039
and of course most of those come from

496
00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:08,720
the united states although

497
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:11,120
i didn't notice some uh from australia

498
00:20:17,590 --> 00:20:13,520
and other parts of the world

499
00:20:19,110 --> 00:20:17,600
now why is tarot so popular on tick tock

500
00:20:20,710 --> 00:20:19,120
i think it's the perfect storm here

501
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,720
we've got

502
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:22,720
i don't know millions and millions of

503
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:24,799
people using tick-tock at any hour of

504
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:27,360
the day scrolling through

505
00:20:32,070 --> 00:20:29,840
and if only a tiny tiny tiny percentage

506
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:32,080
of those people then

507
00:20:37,990 --> 00:20:34,880
put in 10 or 20 or 30 or five dollars or

508
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:38,000
whatever it is for a tarot card reading

509
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,159
and you can see the appeal for people to

510
00:20:44,149 --> 00:20:42,320
keep giving their tarot card readings

511
00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,159
for their tick-tock audience

512
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:46,559
and i would have to say by looking at um

513
00:20:51,750 --> 00:20:50,080
many examples that most people

514
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:51,760
or a good percentage of them it's hard

515
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,600
to say exactly

516
00:20:57,909 --> 00:20:55,840
who are doing the tarot card readings

517
00:21:00,390 --> 00:20:57,919
actually believe it

518
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,400
they actually believe these cards can

519
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,960
give mystical insights and it's very

520
00:21:06,549 --> 00:21:04,559
seductive because the more they do it

521
00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:06,559
the more people pay them attention and

522
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,320
pay them money

523
00:21:12,950 --> 00:21:10,559
now the examples of tarot card reading

524
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,960
we've heard are a good case of

525
00:21:17,510 --> 00:21:15,120
a cold reading

526
00:21:19,590 --> 00:21:17,520
barnum statements

527
00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:19,600
vagaries that sort of thing

528
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:22,880
and tarot cards lend themselves to this

529
00:21:29,190 --> 00:21:26,240
very well and the reason is because on

530
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:29,200
each card there is a story

531
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,200
now somebody with a bit of imagination

532
00:21:35,590 --> 00:21:33,600
and some storytelling ability can really

533
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,600
take advantage of this i have a couple

534
00:21:39,190 --> 00:21:37,520
of decks here in front of me i've

535
00:21:41,190 --> 00:21:39,200
collected over the years what's this one

536
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,200
this one is called

537
00:21:45,990 --> 00:21:42,799
simply tarot

538
00:21:48,789 --> 00:21:46,000
wealth love destiny 78 cards

539
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:48,799
the simply tarot deck consists of 78

540
00:21:53,990 --> 00:21:51,200
richly illustrated cards the major

541
00:21:58,070 --> 00:21:54,000
arcana has 22 cards numbered from 0 to

542
00:22:00,230 --> 00:21:58,080
21 each with a symbolic image and it

543
00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,240
comes complete with a book and a dvd

544
00:22:04,230 --> 00:22:02,240
published in 2005

545
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,240
by hinckler books printed in china there

546
00:22:08,390 --> 00:22:06,400
you go and the book lists

547
00:22:11,270 --> 00:22:08,400
all the cards with

548
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:11,280
instructions on how to lay them out

549
00:22:15,029 --> 00:22:13,039
but the important thing to remember here

550
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:15,039
i think is that each card

551
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,880
as i said before has a picture and these

552
00:22:20,870 --> 00:22:18,400
cards in fact

553
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:20,880
have uh not only the picture but a

554
00:22:26,149 --> 00:22:23,760
little sentence so let me shuffle these

555
00:22:29,270 --> 00:22:26,159
back here

556
00:22:32,100 --> 00:22:29,280
what they do exactly on tick tock

557
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:32,110
okay i'm gonna shuffle the deck and

558
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,520
[Music]

559
00:22:39,029 --> 00:22:35,760
let's have a look at this card

560
00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:39,039
the five of pentacles now if i was doing

561
00:22:44,070 --> 00:22:41,760
this on tiktok live i'd be now looking

562
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,080
studying this card the five of pentacles

563
00:22:48,310 --> 00:22:45,919
on the card it says

564
00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:48,320
delays around money coming in from the

565
00:22:51,510 --> 00:22:50,159
cold and it shows two people sort of

566
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:51,520
huddled

567
00:22:57,270 --> 00:22:54,799
by a building looking very sad one man

568
00:22:59,909 --> 00:22:57,280
on crutches and a woman wrapped up

569
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in the snow looking miserable

570
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so you can see the possibilities here it

571
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can go down the line of i know you've

572
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been worried about money lately and

573
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that's only natural because of the

574
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problems you've had

575
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you'll be surprised to know that soon

576
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there could be some money coming your

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way because coming in from the cold this

578
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card really describes

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that things are going to change for you

580
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you can see where i'm going here let me

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pick up another card

582
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it's completely at random here stop

583
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what's this one

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[Music]

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the hermit

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loneliness

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unattached

588
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soul-searching time needed or time done

589
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well this really does relate to you

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because

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you do need time and every now and then

592
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you need to search your soul

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don't worry

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i think again you can see where i'm

595
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going here and the people listening will

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take it as a personal message

597
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dedicated to them now typically these

598
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readings only go for a couple of minutes

599
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you pay your five dollars or you're 25

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you get a couple of minutes reading and

601
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then it's the next person on the list

602
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and everybody watching keeps watching

603
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because they're getting entertainment

604
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and if they don't feel entertained they

605
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simply

606
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flick up their screen and watch the next

607
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tarot card reader in action

608
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so if you use tick tock maybe you can

609
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check that out for yourself and discover

610
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the endless range of

611
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tarot card readers out there at the

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moment

613
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24 hours a day

614
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and getting back to the cards themselves

615
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they're what we call props

616
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it doesn't matter it can be

617
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the stars as in astrology it can be the

618
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lines in your hand for palm reading

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also known as flexation creases so your

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hand can

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flex

622
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it can be the pictures on the cards

623
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and so on

624
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as somebody once said it's the same tune

625
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played on different instruments

626
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but i think with tarot cards as i said

627
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before we've got the perfect storm

628
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we've got a reading

629
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and we've got something for people

630
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to look at

631
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couple of cat videos on tick tock my

632
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tick tock account is called at richard

633
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underscore saunders

634
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but i'm quite tempted soon to put up

635
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some more videos

636
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[Music]

637
00:25:48,230 --> 00:25:45,360
this is kyle from the data skeptic

638
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,240
podcast if you're curious about the way

639
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,480
data is changing our world topics like

640
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,039
ai and all this craziness with facebook

641
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:55,440
and bots and the twitter storm and how

642
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,840
the algorithms that underline that work

643
00:26:01,110 --> 00:25:59,440
and you don't want a technical deep dive

644
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:01,120
you want it you know in the vernacular

645
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,559
in a way that people can understand

646
00:26:06,310 --> 00:26:04,000
check us out at data skeptic that's what

647
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,320
we try and do i interview advanced

648
00:26:09,669 --> 00:26:07,919
professionals in the field who do this

649
00:26:12,410 --> 00:26:09,679
sort of research and then i get into

650
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interesting projects as well

651
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[Music]

652
00:26:17,230 --> 00:26:15,840
we're a weekly show and you can find us

653
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at datasceptic.com

654
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[Music]

655
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,320
hi this is skeptic zone reporter adrian

656
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hill from canada here to read the

657
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highlights from the australian skeptics

658
00:26:54,950 --> 00:26:53,039
newsletter and this is newsletter number

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132

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released on the 21st of september

661
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and remember that each story mentioned

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in the newsletter comes with links for

663
00:27:07,430 --> 00:27:05,010
further reading when you subscribe

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[Music]

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hi all it says

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covet is playing an on-again off-again

667
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,320
game with all of us such that it's hard

668
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:17,039
to plan ahead but whatever the case

669
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:18,720
there will be a skeptic's convention

670
00:27:23,510 --> 00:27:21,679
this year more details are now on the

671
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skepticon site

672
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skepticon.org

673
00:27:33,830 --> 00:27:31,269
meanwhile settle back with the good news

674
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that 50 percent of americans actually

675
00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:37,039
believe in evolution

676
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:38,960
read on

677
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:42,159
tim mendom okay tim let's have a look at

678
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what you have for us

679
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[Music]

680
00:27:50,230 --> 00:27:47,440
australian skeptics news

681
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,240
skepticon speaker lineup

682
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speakers so far announced for the

683
00:27:57,110 --> 00:27:54,320
skepticon convention represent a broad

684
00:27:59,350 --> 00:27:57,120
range of skeptical topics and locations

685
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with speakers from the uk russia

686
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australia and new zealand this year's

687
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,360
skepticon will be held on november 20th

688
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to 21st and will be a joint venture

689
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between australian and new zealand

690
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:13,200
skeptics held in sydney and wellington

691
00:28:17,110 --> 00:28:14,559
the convention will feature

692
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presentations live in person at both

693
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:18,080
venues

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streamed between the two countries and

695
00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,000
from around the world

696
00:28:26,389 --> 00:28:24,159
note that of course should the current

697
00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:26,399
situation in sydney regarding covet and

698
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lockdowns continue or if any risks

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associated with public gatherings are of

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concern then we may be forced to have an

701
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,240
online only convention for the sydney

702
00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,039
component a decision will be made soon

703
00:28:44,789 --> 00:28:41,679
hopefully the same won't apply in new

704
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:47,430
speakers include professor richard

705
00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,760
wiseman from london experimental

706
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:52,559
psychologist and author of paranormality

707
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:55,919
a scientific look at the supernatural

708
00:29:01,149 --> 00:28:58,559
microbiologist associate professor wiles

709
00:29:04,630 --> 00:29:01,159
from wellington science communicator and

710
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,640
2021 new zealander of the year

711
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,279
dr alexander panchan from moscow

712
00:29:11,669 --> 00:29:10,000
computation biologist and member of the

713
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commission on pseudoscience of the

714
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russian academy of sciences and author

715
00:29:19,830 --> 00:29:17,279
of defense against the dark arts a guide

716
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:19,840
to the world of paranormal phenomena

717
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,440
[Music]

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00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:24,240
annie mccubbin from sydney actor writer

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00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:26,000
director corporate communication

720
00:29:31,909 --> 00:29:28,960
consultant and author of the 2021 book

721
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:31,919
why smart women make bad decisions and

722
00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,159
how critical thinking can protect them

723
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:38,720
dr paul willis from sydney adjunct

724
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,520
associate professor in paleontology at

725
00:29:45,350 --> 00:29:43,360
flinders university and one of

726
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:45,360
australia's best-known science

727
00:29:50,710 --> 00:29:48,159
communicators

728
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:50,720
dr helen patucis harris from wellington

729
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:53,600
is co-director of the global vaccine

730
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,640
data network former chair of the who

731
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:58,720
global advisory committee on vaccine

732
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:01,279
safety and currently shortlisted for the

733
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:05,200
nature awards for driving global impact

734
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:07,919
dr mark wilson from wellington social

735
00:30:11,510 --> 00:30:09,279
psychologists looking at the

736
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,520
psychological foundations of political

737
00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:13,440
behavior

738
00:30:18,070 --> 00:30:16,159
for more details including ticker prices

739
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:18,080
they will be available soon but in the

740
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:20,000
meantime please register your interest

741
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:21,760
so you can receive the latest

742
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,600
information

743
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,520
bent spoon nominations

744
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,360
nominations are now open for the

745
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:29,919
australian skeptics ben spoon award one

746
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,919
of the least sought-after credits in the

747
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,240
skeptical world or any world for that

748
00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:35,520
matter

749
00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,520
and a message to everyone listening in

750
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:40,000
australia there is still time to get

751
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your nominations in just visit

752
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:44,550
skeptics.com.a you

753
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[Music]

754
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:48,880
evolution now accepted by a majority of

755
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:52,480
americans wow half i wish it was more

756
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,799
the u.s national center for science

757
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:57,600
education reports quote the level of

758
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public acceptance of evolution in the

759
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:02,159
united states is now solidly above the

760
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,399
halfway mark according to a new study

761
00:31:08,710 --> 00:31:06,559
based on a series of national public

762
00:31:10,310 --> 00:31:08,720
opinion surveys conducted over the last

763
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35 years

764
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end quote

765
00:31:20,149 --> 00:31:15,600
that's roughly 50 support evolution 35

766
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percent rejected and 15 don't know

767
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,360
in comparison a 2013 survey conducted by

768
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ozpul and the australian academy of

769
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,159
science found that 80

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00:31:33,029 --> 00:31:31,279
of australians believe in evolution

771
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,039
seventy percent believe it is currently

772
00:31:36,789 --> 00:31:34,960
occurring ten percent believe in

773
00:31:38,149 --> 00:31:36,799
evolution but do not think it is

774
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,159
currently occurring

775
00:31:43,350 --> 00:31:40,320
twelve percent were not sure and nine

776
00:31:45,509 --> 00:31:43,360
percent stated that they do not believe

777
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,519
in evolution i wonder what it's like in

778
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:46,799
canada

779
00:31:50,710 --> 00:31:49,519
hopefully it's like australia

780
00:31:53,990 --> 00:31:50,720
then again

781
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,000
in a 2012 poll 69 percent of britain's

782
00:31:59,509 --> 00:31:56,320
believe that humans evolved from less

783
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,519
advanced life forms while 17 believe

784
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:01,519
that god created human beings in their

785
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,399
present forms within the last 10 000

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years

787
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:08,720
alternative treatments for spanish flu

788
00:32:13,269 --> 00:32:11,279
100 years ago there were just as many

789
00:32:15,590 --> 00:32:13,279
alternative treatments for spanish flu

790
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,600
as there are now for covet

791
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:17,840
whiskey up your nose anyone

792
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:21,039
un rule may be hurdle for brazil vaccine

793
00:32:26,389 --> 00:32:24,240
skeptic bolsonaro

794
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:26,399
brazilian president j.r bolsonaro's

795
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reluctance to get a coven 19 vaccine is

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a rarity in his country and may

797
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complicate his plans to attend the

798
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coming u.n general assembly where all

799
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attendees must be vaccinated to speak at

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the gathering

801
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the president who was infected with the

802
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virus last year told reporters as

803
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recently as a week ago that he remains

804
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unvaccinated it's not good

805
00:32:54,389 --> 00:32:51,600
note that one report that came in today

806
00:32:57,029 --> 00:32:54,399
says bolsonaro might be okay for the un

807
00:32:59,330 --> 00:32:57,039
assembly but probably won't be allowed

808
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into new york restaurants

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[Music]

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research for the do your own research

811
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crowd

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as short only three paragraphs albeit

813
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,600
long ones opinion piece on the research

814
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:11,679
that people who do their own research

815
00:33:16,549 --> 00:33:14,240
haven't researched and that is how the

816
00:33:18,789 --> 00:33:16,559
world's largest trial of medication has

817
00:33:21,750 --> 00:33:18,799
shown that billions of people have taken

818
00:33:24,870 --> 00:33:21,760
covet 19 vaccines and overwhelmingly

819
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:24,880
they're totally fine and can get

820
00:33:31,190 --> 00:33:28,320
microsoft office updated automatically

821
00:33:34,789 --> 00:33:31,200
i guess that's the chip in the arm

822
00:33:37,669 --> 00:33:34,799
the psychic hunt for osama bin laden

823
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:37,679
this story reveals how the cia returned

824
00:33:43,909 --> 00:33:40,559
to the good old days of using psychics

825
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:43,919
to find particular targets thanks to 911

826
00:33:48,470 --> 00:33:46,480
a long article but it takes you back

827
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from the cold war into the age of

828
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terrorism

829
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:53,600
q anon explained in just three minutes

830
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:55,679
skiptoid's brian dunning's short video

831
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:57,519
gives the lowdown on the conspiracy

832
00:34:01,669 --> 00:33:59,600
movement with the transcript of the talk

833
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,679
helpfully printed below the video watch

834
00:34:05,430 --> 00:34:03,840
or read or watch and read according to

835
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:05,440
your preference

836
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:08,159
or you can read a longer version by

837
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,320
dunning along with a lot more on

838
00:34:16,149 --> 00:34:12,320
conspiracy theories and sovereign

839
00:34:16,919 --> 00:34:16,159
citizens in the skeptic september 2020

840
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:16,929
edition

841
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:18,079
[Music]

842
00:34:24,149 --> 00:34:21,520
men's sleep disturbed by waxing moon

843
00:34:26,710 --> 00:34:24,159
some theories why men sleep is more

844
00:34:29,349 --> 00:34:26,720
disturbed when the moon is growing in

845
00:34:30,790 --> 00:34:29,359
brightness and apparently it's worse for

846
00:34:33,589 --> 00:34:30,800
men than women

847
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,599
but no mention of werewolves

848
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the september 2021 issue of the skeptic

849
00:34:41,109 --> 00:34:39,520
is out digital version print version a

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00:35:37,990 --> 00:35:36,320
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00:35:41,550 --> 00:35:40,640
news leads should be sent to news tips

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at

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879
00:35:48,190 --> 00:35:45,920
submissions for the magazine etc should

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00:35:52,310 --> 00:35:50,160
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00:35:55,870 --> 00:35:52,320
comments and suggestions even those rude

883
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ones should also go to editor

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00:36:00,270 --> 00:35:59,200
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items of interest

886
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[Music]

887
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:03,200
listicle

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00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,320
discovery plus online channel ghostober

889
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,079
specials

890
00:36:11,910 --> 00:36:09,760
not sure if these will be on the local

891
00:36:14,150 --> 00:36:11,920
discovery streaming service but what you

892
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,160
have here is a bunch of documentaries on

893
00:36:18,870 --> 00:36:16,560
paranormal topics

894
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:18,880
mainly pretty woo-ish you know like

895
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,760
ghost hunting etc but the associated

896
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,320
food network channel features quote

897
00:36:29,589 --> 00:36:26,720
killer treats that pay homage to

898
00:36:30,550 --> 00:36:29,599
quintessential 1980s horror slasher

899
00:36:31,910 --> 00:36:30,560
films

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00:36:34,630 --> 00:36:31,920
end quote

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00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:34,640
kind of reminds us of the game of scones

902
00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,040
cookbook that came out a while ago

903
00:36:43,750 --> 00:36:39,599
the red wedding cake looks particularly

904
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:43,760
appetizing don't think i could eat that

905
00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:47,280
get paid to watch scary movies

906
00:36:52,630 --> 00:36:50,400
finance firm finance buzz is offering

907
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:52,640
one lucky horror aficionado the

908
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,640
opportunity to watch 13 yes 13

909
00:37:01,510 --> 00:36:59,280
very differently budgeted scary movies

910
00:37:03,430 --> 00:37:01,520
to settle whether bigger bucks bring

911
00:37:05,270 --> 00:37:03,440
bigger scares

912
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,280
it's only open to applicants based in

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00:37:10,150 --> 00:37:07,599
the united states and at least 18 years

914
00:37:13,829 --> 00:37:10,160
of age but if you qualify you have until

915
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,839
september 26 to apply online

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00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:16,079
travel tip britain's most haunted

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village

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00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:20,720
pluckly only two hours from london and

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00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,280
home to 12 official ghosts and

920
00:37:27,910 --> 00:37:25,920
mysterious deathly screams

921
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,920
official thanks to the guinness book of

922
00:37:34,230 --> 00:37:30,160
records which seems to have seriously

923
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,240
veered away from real verifiable records

924
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:36,880
the usual candidates you know the pubs

925
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,200
churches forests etc

926
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:41,920
but it also includes a coach and horse

927
00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:43,760
riding around the village which actually

928
00:37:48,069 --> 00:37:45,520
sounds pretty impressive

929
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,079
if true

930
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:50,640
quaka tips australian football league

931
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:53,680
grand final winner i didn't even know

932
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,599
what a quack was til i had to read this

933
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:57,119
they're so cute

934
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,839
and finally adding to our list of

935
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,920
animals that picked the results of

936
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,240
football matches a rottenist island

937
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:06,800
quaka is there any other type

938
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:08,720
has picked the winner of this saturday's

939
00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,200
afl grand final

940
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:12,960
spoiler alert

941
00:38:17,589 --> 00:38:15,359
it's the western bulldogs

942
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:17,599
although the video does make you wonder

943
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,320
if someone put some food in the chosen

944
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:22,640
bulldogs guernsey

945
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:25,359
thanks again tim and for now this is

946
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:29,050
adrian hill signing off

947
00:38:44,790 --> 00:38:43,589
i'm mick west in my podcast tales from

948
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,800
the rabbit hole i have extended

949
00:38:48,550 --> 00:38:46,240
conversations with people who've been

950
00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:48,560
involved in conspiracy culture i do this

951
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:50,240
for a couple of reasons firstly because

952
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:51,520
it's really interesting these people

953
00:38:54,870 --> 00:38:53,200
have great stories about how they fell

954
00:38:56,710 --> 00:38:54,880
down the conspiracy theory rabbit hole

955
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,720
what they did down there and what it was

956
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,640
to help them out sometimes i also talk

957
00:39:01,270 --> 00:39:00,240
to people who investigate conspiracy

958
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,280
theories and they have equally

959
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:03,280
fascinating stories from the other side

960
00:39:06,630 --> 00:39:05,200
secondly i want to understand how best

961
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,640
to prevent the spread of conspiracy

962
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:08,240
theories and misinformation which is an

963
00:39:12,150 --> 00:39:09,760
increasing problem in a time when

964
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:12,160
alternative media is exploding the best

965
00:39:15,829 --> 00:39:13,839
way to do this is to communicate

966
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,839
effectively with the people involved and

967
00:39:19,270 --> 00:39:17,760
the best way to do that is with a nice

968
00:39:21,829 --> 00:39:19,280
long chat

969
00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:21,839
check it out tales from the rabbit hole

970
00:39:46,069 --> 00:39:24,240
tftrh.com

971
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,079
[Music]

972
00:39:51,270 --> 00:39:48,720
and yes that music means it's time for

973
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:51,280
the trove segment the look into the

974
00:39:55,589 --> 00:39:53,200
historical archives of newspapers

975
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:55,599
gazettes magazines and so on

976
00:40:00,470 --> 00:39:57,280
dating back through the decades and

977
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,480
centuries from both here in australia

978
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,400
and internationally

979
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:04,319
our normal reference is the trove

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00:40:10,150 --> 00:40:07,680
archives at trove.nla.gov.eu

981
00:40:12,309 --> 00:40:10,160
but we certainly do look further afield

982
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,319
at times and today is one of those times

983
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,160
where we have a bit of a mixture and

984
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:16,400
today's topic is

985
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:18,160
tarot cards

986
00:40:25,349 --> 00:40:23,280
[Music]

987
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:25,359
and our first reference comes from the

988
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:27,760
camera times dated the

989
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:31,440
17th of march 1987.

990
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:34,960
it's a major event for skeptics no doubt

991
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,079
ufos in australia nostradamus and

992
00:40:43,430 --> 00:40:41,280
creation anthropology will be subject to

993
00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:43,440
rigorous scrutiny by some of australia's

994
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,319
most

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00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,960
practiced skeptics at a convention in

996
00:40:51,109 --> 00:40:48,560
canberra next month

997
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:51,119
australian skeptics will hold its annual

998
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:53,520
convention at the australian national

999
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,960
university on april 18th and

1000
00:41:03,030 --> 00:40:59,359
according to the secretary of camera

1001
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,040
skeptics dr william gray will challenge

1002
00:41:07,910 --> 00:41:05,520
some of the nostroms that are supposed

1003
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:07,920
to be good for all sorts of things dr

1004
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,599
gray said yesterday that australian

1005
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:12,800
skeptics had about 600 members and it

1006
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,319
was a reaction to social trends

1007
00:41:20,710 --> 00:41:18,240
he said a growing belief in things such

1008
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:20,720
as the paranormal in astronomy was due

1009
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:23,200
to the menacing aspects of science and

1010
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,160
technology and people's fear of them

1011
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:28,000
however science and technology

1012
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,160
themselves should not be feared rather

1013
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,720
the idiotic use of them should be

1014
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,240
discouraged

1015
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,720
the idea of the convention was to raise

1016
00:41:42,710 --> 00:41:38,720
public awareness about the importance of

1017
00:41:45,589 --> 00:41:42,720
critical evaluation of quote any kind of

1018
00:41:46,710 --> 00:41:45,599
you butte ideas that come along

1019
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:46,720
men quote

1020
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,520
papers on creationist anthropology

1021
00:41:52,630 --> 00:41:50,880
nostradamus

1022
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,640
tarot readings

1023
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:54,720
and the occult and ufos in australia

1024
00:41:58,950 --> 00:41:56,880
would be presented at the convention an

1025
00:42:00,870 --> 00:41:58,960
award of one thousand dollars to the

1026
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:00,880
journalist who produced the best

1027
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:02,640
skeptical story of the year would also

1028
00:42:07,430 --> 00:42:04,960
be presented and australian skeptics

1029
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:07,440
with mr dick smith and mr philip adams

1030
00:42:12,630 --> 00:42:10,480
had a standing offer of twenty thousand

1031
00:42:14,790 --> 00:42:12,640
dollars for anyone who could demonstrate

1032
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:14,800
psychic or paranormal power

1033
00:42:20,630 --> 00:42:18,240
under controlled conditions

1034
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,640
and our next little clipping and short

1035
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:23,440
it is comes from the australian jewish

1036
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:24,640
times

1037
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:28,240
dated the 9th of december 1982

1038
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,960
tarot readings free tarot card readings

1039
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:33,599
are available on mondays and tuesdays

1040
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,520
for all interested diners at la bisiklet

1041
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:40,560
restaurant in york street clairvoyant

1042
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:44,079
dion dean uden is available to read the

1043
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:45,280
cards

1044
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,280
owner manager stefan offers patrons

1045
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:49,680
friendly personal service with dinners

1046
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:52,160
and late suppers available monday to

1047
00:42:56,390 --> 00:42:54,160
saturday here we are you can get a

1048
00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:56,400
dinner and a show of sorts

1049
00:43:01,270 --> 00:42:57,760
and now we head over to the united

1050
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:01,280
states to the kittanning leader times

1051
00:43:06,390 --> 00:43:03,000
published in

1052
00:43:08,630 --> 00:43:06,400
1986 on the 28th of august

1053
00:43:10,150 --> 00:43:08,640
and this seems to be a town in

1054
00:43:11,109 --> 00:43:10,160
pennsylvania

1055
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:11,119
and

1056
00:43:16,390 --> 00:43:13,680
joining me in the reading of this item

1057
00:43:19,990 --> 00:43:16,400
is kelly burke

1058
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:20,000
in the cards readers tell all about

1059
00:43:24,069 --> 00:43:21,440
anybody

1060
00:43:28,230 --> 00:43:24,079
by linda poyden's life

1061
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:28,240
style editor all they need to know is a

1062
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:29,599
person's age

1063
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:31,920
with just that little bit of information

1064
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:34,000
and some vibes

1065
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:36,480
jennifer and daughters elizabeth and

1066
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:39,520
debbie say that they can tell all about

1067
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:40,880
that person

1068
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:44,880
the family members give quote full life

1069
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,319
readings and quote by using tarot cards

1070
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,640
and playing cards and by giving psychic

1071
00:43:55,910 --> 00:43:52,640
readings to clients visiting their home

1072
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:55,920
slash office in south butler

1073
00:44:01,349 --> 00:43:58,400
the ability to read a person is a talent

1074
00:44:03,510 --> 00:44:01,359
that has been passed on to all the

1075
00:44:06,230 --> 00:44:03,520
female members of the family said

1076
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:06,240
elizabeth who declined giving her last

1077
00:44:10,069 --> 00:44:07,119
name

1078
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,079
jennifer was born with the gift to read

1079
00:44:15,510 --> 00:44:13,200
people elizabeth said she knew she had

1080
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:15,520
it and that she would be a reader she

1081
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:18,880
started as a teenager elizabeth said

1082
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,880
she has been giving readings for about

1083
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,400
30 years

1084
00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,480
she jennifer

1085
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:27,280
is a true gifted reader who was born

1086
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,560
with the gift

1087
00:44:33,190 --> 00:44:30,800
that gift has been passed down to both

1088
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:33,200
her daughters the majority in our family

1089
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,400
will become readers elizabeth said

1090
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,119
when she was just a young girl elizabeth

1091
00:44:43,109 --> 00:44:41,280
said her mother noticed her daughter

1092
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,119
also had the ability

1093
00:44:46,790 --> 00:44:45,280
when i was at a very young age my mother

1094
00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,800
discovered it

1095
00:44:50,550 --> 00:44:48,560
she didn't tell me about it until i was

1096
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,560
11 or 12.

1097
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:53,200
when i was 14 or 15 i read for a few

1098
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:55,760
people while my mother witnessed it

1099
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,920
i've been reading for 11 years but i've

1100
00:45:00,630 --> 00:44:59,440
only been reading professionally for

1101
00:45:02,069 --> 00:45:00,640
eight years

1102
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:02,079
elizabeth said

1103
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,720
she said she knew she had the gift

1104
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:05,839
because

1105
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:08,160
i would have dreams and know that it

1106
00:45:11,510 --> 00:45:09,359
happened

1107
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:11,520
and i was able to deal with people

1108
00:45:15,910 --> 00:45:13,200
elizabeth said

1109
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:15,920
they have been at their current location

1110
00:45:21,270 --> 00:45:18,960
since april elizabeth declined naming

1111
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:21,280
where they worked previously

1112
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:22,960
clients are taken through the family's

1113
00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,160
living room and hallway to a small room

1114
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,040
located just past the kitchen

1115
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:31,680
the room contains only a small table two

1116
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,880
chairs and a velvet curtain concealing a

1117
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:35,839
closet

1118
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:38,640
all that is on the table are a deck of

1119
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,599
tarot cards and a deck of playing cards

1120
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:43,680
each card has a lot of meaning to it

1121
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:46,400
elizabeth said she can tell a person's

1122
00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:50,000
past present and self-conscious self

1123
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:51,440
with the cards

1124
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:53,520
the psychic readings are obtained simply

1125
00:45:59,430 --> 00:45:56,640
by the client placing his or her hand on

1126
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:59,440
the table and the reader placing her

1127
00:46:03,430 --> 00:46:01,520
hand on the others

1128
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,440
some people give off such strong

1129
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:06,160
readings that they do not even need to

1130
00:46:12,069 --> 00:46:09,200
touch the person's hand elizabeth said

1131
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:12,079
elizabeth points out that she

1132
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,960
her mother and her sister do not predict

1133
00:46:19,190 --> 00:46:16,400
the future

1134
00:46:20,790 --> 00:46:19,200
and it is illegal to read palms where

1135
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:20,800
they are located

1136
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:22,960
what they do tell the client is more

1137
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:26,640
about his or herself elizabeth said

1138
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,560
they come in to try and find out more

1139
00:46:32,230 --> 00:46:30,240
about themselves and their

1140
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:32,240
self-conscious selves

1141
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,760
elizabeth said

1142
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:35,200
we try to help them understand

1143
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:37,440
themselves and their loved ones

1144
00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:38,960
and that helps them deal with their own

1145
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,760
problems better the client's personality

1146
00:46:45,109 --> 00:46:43,920
or subconscious mind usually comes out

1147
00:46:47,109 --> 00:46:45,119
in the readings

1148
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,119
elizabeth said

1149
00:46:51,829 --> 00:46:49,200
the majority of the family's clients

1150
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,839
will come in with a specific problem

1151
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,240
that has been bothering them or they are

1152
00:46:59,510 --> 00:46:56,880
looking for guidance on a particular

1153
00:47:02,150 --> 00:46:59,520
issue elizabeth said but the readers

1154
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:02,160
don't ask what that problem is

1155
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:03,760
that will come out during the reading

1156
00:47:08,069 --> 00:47:05,520
elizabeth said if it is about their

1157
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,079
personal life or a relationship

1158
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,480
if that is the problem at the time that

1159
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:13,520
is what we'll focus on elizabeth said

1160
00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:15,760
many people are skeptical at first

1161
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,520
elizabeth said when skeptical a person

1162
00:47:24,549 --> 00:47:21,599
throws up a block that makes it

1163
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,559
difficult to give a reading she said

1164
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,800
but she said once the readers tell a

1165
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:29,280
person something about himself he

1166
00:47:33,910 --> 00:47:32,640
becomes less skeptical and more open to

1167
00:47:37,670 --> 00:47:33,920
readings

1168
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,680
it's amazing how that block goes away

1169
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:39,280
and the photograph accompanying this

1170
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
article is a typical spread of tarot

1171
00:47:45,270 --> 00:47:43,440
cards with some hands presumably those

1172
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,280
of elizabeth

1173
00:47:49,510 --> 00:47:47,680
and a little caption here readings

1174
00:47:51,670 --> 00:47:49,520
through tarot cards above

1175
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,680
and playing cards and through psychic

1176
00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:54,160
readings jennifer and her daughters

1177
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:56,720
elizabeth and debbie give their clients

1178
00:48:02,390 --> 00:47:59,040
full life readings

1179
00:48:03,510 --> 00:48:02,400
and that picture is credited to mark j

1180
00:48:05,190 --> 00:48:03,520
mority

1181
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:05,200
and thank you again to kelly burke for

1182
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,280
supplying the voice in that story

1183
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:11,040
and finally we have one more piece from

1184
00:48:16,950 --> 00:48:15,760
the camera times from 1987 the 21st of

1185
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,960
june

1186
00:48:22,230 --> 00:48:19,680
written by don laycock

1187
00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:22,240
overselling creates a

1188
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,720
pasteboard imperium

1189
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,680
death

1190
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:27,280
of the tarot

1191
00:48:32,710 --> 00:48:30,000
by greed by don laycock

1192
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:32,720
tarot cards are dead killed in the same

1193
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,680
way as many other traditional survivals

1194
00:48:39,510 --> 00:48:38,160
have been killed by greed and

1195
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,520
overselling

1196
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,359
the death of tarot became apparent

1197
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:44,559
recently when i found some 15 different

1198
00:48:49,589 --> 00:48:47,040
tarot packs going cheap at a canberra

1199
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:49,599
book sale all of these were distributed

1200
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,040
and copyrighted from a single firm

1201
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:56,160
us games systems inc

1202
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,359
and all contained introductions and

1203
00:49:05,349 --> 00:49:02,640
instructions by an acknowledged if not

1204
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,359
always historically trustworthy expert

1205
00:49:09,109 --> 00:49:07,119
on tarot cards

1206
00:49:12,630 --> 00:49:09,119
stuart r kaplan

1207
00:49:15,270 --> 00:49:12,640
it was around 1970 that u.s games

1208
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,280
systems and stuart r kaplan got together

1209
00:49:20,069 --> 00:49:17,760
to build a tarot empire

1210
00:49:22,549 --> 00:49:20,079
a third member of the triumvirate was

1211
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,559
the giant swiss card manufacturing firm

1212
00:49:27,910 --> 00:49:24,319
of a g muller

1213
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:27,920
though other card making monopolies like

1214
00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:30,960
fournier of spain grim mould of france

1215
00:49:36,230 --> 00:49:34,640
and platnick of austria have sometimes

1216
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,240
joined the alliance

1217
00:49:40,630 --> 00:49:38,960
one of the results has been that even

1218
00:49:43,589 --> 00:49:40,640
packs that have been around for

1219
00:49:45,670 --> 00:49:43,599
centuries such as the sicilian tarot

1220
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:45,680
have become part of this paste board

1221
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:48,000
imperium and have been

1222
00:49:54,710 --> 00:49:52,400
copyrighted by us games systems to

1223
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:54,720
understand how this situation arose a

1224
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:56,800
little history is necessary

1225
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:58,720
the ultimate origin of playing cards in

1226
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,280
general is still not quite certain but

1227
00:50:05,150 --> 00:50:02,720
lies somewhere

1228
00:50:07,349 --> 00:50:05,160
east of turkey probably in the

1229
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:07,359
indo-iranian area

1230
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:10,240
however the first cards that entered

1231
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:13,359
europe via italy in the last third of

1232
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:14,880
the 14th century

1233
00:50:21,829 --> 00:50:18,400
came from mam luck egypt with suits of

1234
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:21,839
scimitars polo sticks cups and coins

1235
00:50:29,030 --> 00:50:25,040
these suit designs rapidly evolved into

1236
00:50:32,390 --> 00:50:29,040
the basic latin suits of swords staves

1237
00:50:35,190 --> 00:50:32,400
which are wands cups and coins with

1238
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,200
subtle but important local variants in

1239
00:50:39,750 --> 00:50:37,839
italy spain and portugal these suits are

1240
00:50:42,750 --> 00:50:39,760
still in use and are the most usual

1241
00:50:46,309 --> 00:50:42,760
suits in traditional tarot packs around

1242
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,319
1435 some 60 years after playing cards

1243
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:48,400
had become popular in southern europe

1244
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,000
there arose a variant pack with an extra

1245
00:50:56,950 --> 00:50:53,440
court card

1246
00:51:00,069 --> 00:50:56,960
and with 22 tarot trumps

1247
00:51:02,069 --> 00:51:00,079
the major arcana of occultists

1248
00:51:05,190 --> 00:51:02,079
representing common medieval and

1249
00:51:07,750 --> 00:51:05,200
renaissance themes such as death and the

1250
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:07,760
devil justice and temperance the sun the

1251
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:10,000
moon and the stars the cards were

1252
00:51:14,390 --> 00:51:12,480
invented for the game of tarot which

1253
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:14,400
still survives in italy france

1254
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:16,319
switzerland germany austria and

1255
00:51:20,309 --> 00:51:18,559
czechoslovakia the place of this

1256
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,319
invention was probably the court of

1257
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,400
ferrara in italy

1258
00:51:29,030 --> 00:51:25,839
although the game was popular very early

1259
00:51:31,030 --> 00:51:29,040
among aristocratic circles in milan

1260
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:31,040
bologna and florence

1261
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:34,000
the origin of tarot cards therefore

1262
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,760
is no more exotic than the origin of the

1263
00:51:41,910 --> 00:51:39,760
game of canasta

1264
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:41,920
for more than 300 years after their

1265
00:51:47,109 --> 00:51:44,960
invention tarot cards were assigned no

1266
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:47,119
occult significance

1267
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:48,640
whatever

1268
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,480
in the meantime ordinary playing cards

1269
00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,720
developed away from tarot cards with the

1270
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:55,520
introduction of new suit symbols

1271
00:52:01,510 --> 00:51:59,200
variations of hearts leaves bells roses

1272
00:52:05,190 --> 00:52:01,520
acorns and banners in the

1273
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,200
german-speaking area and from 1480 the

1274
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,680
french simplification into spades clubs

1275
00:52:12,390 --> 00:52:09,680
hearts and diamonds

1276
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:12,400
the french system soon conquered the

1277
00:52:18,390 --> 00:52:15,119
world because with it went the new

1278
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,400
technology of reproducing standard size

1279
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:21,359
suit symbols by means of stencils so

1280
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:23,839
that separate woodcuts did not have to

1281
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,160
be made for each card

1282
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:28,480
millions of card players around the

1283
00:52:33,829 --> 00:52:31,280
world today have never seen any playing

1284
00:52:34,710 --> 00:52:33,839
cards with suits other than spades clubs

1285
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,720
hearts

1286
00:52:38,870 --> 00:52:36,160
and diamonds

1287
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,880
by the end of the 18th century the latin

1288
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,839
suited cards were already so unfamiliar

1289
00:52:46,470 --> 00:52:44,319
in paris that tarot packs like the

1290
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:46,480
marseilles tarot were looked on as

1291
00:52:52,230 --> 00:52:49,440
something completely exotic

1292
00:52:53,790 --> 00:52:52,240
around that time a french writer kotti

1293
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:53,800
kiblin

1294
00:52:59,190 --> 00:52:56,559
concocted a fantastic tale that

1295
00:53:00,870 --> 00:52:59,200
connected tarot cards with egypt and the

1296
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,880
gypsies

1297
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:03,200
according to the nine completed volumes

1298
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:04,319
of his work

1299
00:53:10,630 --> 00:53:07,280
le monde primetith published between

1300
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,640
1773 and 1782

1301
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,040
the tarot trumps derived from the

1302
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:15,040
religious murals of some ancient

1303
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,880
egyptian temple

1304
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:18,640
with the decline of the egyptian

1305
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:22,000
civilization the priests had cunningly

1306
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,720
copied the murals as a pack of playing

1307
00:53:27,430 --> 00:53:25,599
cards

1308
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,440
reasoning that their mysteries would

1309
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,000
survive if disguised as a game

1310
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:32,880
especially if it was a gambling game

1311
00:53:37,750 --> 00:53:34,880
the peoples who preserve the cards were

1312
00:53:42,150 --> 00:53:37,760
supposed to be the gypsies a view that

1313
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:42,160
rests in an old confusion of gypsies and

1314
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,960
egyptians that is not totally extinct

1315
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:46,000
today

1316
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,640
in fact gypsies who originate from india

1317
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,119
did not enter europe via asia minor

1318
00:53:55,430 --> 00:53:53,280
until well after ordinary playing cards

1319
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,440
were established in europe and never had

1320
00:54:00,069 --> 00:53:58,240
any association with tarot cards before

1321
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,079
the 20th century

1322
00:54:05,349 --> 00:54:02,559
quote the ghiblians book coincided with

1323
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,359
a parisian vogue for fortune telling

1324
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:07,520
with ordinary playing cards which was

1325
00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:10,400
successfully exploited by a cartomancer

1326
00:54:14,390 --> 00:54:12,240
named alliet

1327
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:14,400
whom as etiella

1328
00:54:19,829 --> 00:54:17,359
read the destinies of delighted parisian

1329
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:19,839
ladies with his own set

1330
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:22,720
1783 of colorful picture cards based on

1331
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:25,760
the tarot the first of many tarot packs

1332
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,640
produced arbitrarily for fortune telling

1333
00:54:32,470 --> 00:54:30,079
meditation

1334
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,480
or simply money the occult fantasy was

1335
00:54:39,349 --> 00:54:35,040
taken further by the french occultist

1336
00:54:40,789 --> 00:54:39,359
alphonse louis constant 1810 to 1875

1337
00:54:42,630 --> 00:54:40,799
trading as

1338
00:54:45,030 --> 00:54:42,640
elifas levi

1339
00:54:47,829 --> 00:54:45,040
and this quote ancient and quote

1340
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:47,839
tradition now some 70 years old was

1341
00:54:53,510 --> 00:54:51,119
picked up and elaborated on by further

1342
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:53,520
french and british occultists later in

1343
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,960
the century

1344
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:56,880
two of the founders of the magical order

1345
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:00,799
of the golden dawn in 1885 w w westcott

1346
00:55:06,470 --> 00:55:03,839
and esl mcgregor mathers created most of

1347
00:55:09,270 --> 00:55:06,480
the now quote accepted in quote

1348
00:55:11,910 --> 00:55:09,280
correspondence between tarot cards and

1349
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:11,920
unrelated systems like astrology and the

1350
00:55:16,789 --> 00:55:15,680
kabbalah as well as probably inventing

1351
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:16,799
the quote

1352
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,160
ancient celtic 10 card spread and quote

1353
00:55:25,190 --> 00:55:22,400
method of divination currently favored

1354
00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:25,200
by clairvoyance in the next decades

1355
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:28,640
there was a spate of new

1356
00:55:36,069 --> 00:55:32,319
quote occult end quote or quote esoteric

1357
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:36,079
and quote tarots such as those of oswald

1358
00:55:45,430 --> 00:55:41,680
worth 1889 revised 1927 girard encourage

1359
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:45,440
papas 1909 at least to cowley

1360
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:48,480
1944 book of toth

1361
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:51,200
paul foster case 1931 builders of the

1362
00:55:56,870 --> 00:55:52,319
atheium

1363
00:55:59,670 --> 00:55:56,880
and cece zane 1936 egyptian the most

1364
00:56:02,309 --> 00:55:59,680
influential of all however was the

1365
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,319
weight rider pack 1910 designed by

1366
00:56:08,470 --> 00:56:04,559
arthur edward waite a minor member of

1367
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,480
the golden dawn and painted in bad art

1368
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:11,200
nouveau by an equally minor artist

1369
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:12,960
called pamela

1370
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:16,559
coleman smith the waiter rider pack was

1371
00:56:22,230 --> 00:56:20,400
one of whose designs inspired t.s eliot

1372
00:56:24,470 --> 00:56:22,240
in the wasteland

1373
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:24,480
it was also the pack that popularized

1374
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,200
english names for the tarot trumps

1375
00:56:32,950 --> 00:56:30,240
especially the hierophant for the pope

1376
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:32,960
and the high priestess for the

1377
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,559
popes it also reintroduced the idea

1378
00:56:42,470 --> 00:56:39,440
forgotten since italia of putting

1379
00:56:44,789 --> 00:56:42,480
symbolic pictures of the ordinary suit

1380
00:56:45,910 --> 00:56:44,799
cards which make up the bulk of the

1381
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:45,920
tarot pack

1382
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,040
and renamed the coin suits to pentacles

1383
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:51,680
other subtle changes included numbering

1384
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:54,799
the fools as 0

1385
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:57,680
and interchanging the order of trump's 9

1386
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,319
and 11 strength and justice

1387
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:02,640
such details allow connoisseurs to

1388
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:05,920
identify late occult pacts such as the

1389
00:57:12,309 --> 00:57:09,040
royal fisma rocking tarot of the 1960s

1390
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:12,319
claimed to derive from 9th century

1391
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:14,720
designs preserved in morocco

1392
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,760
as being direct cribs

1393
00:57:22,309 --> 00:57:20,400
of the weight rider pack

1394
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:22,319
for most of the 20th century however

1395
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,720
such packs often existed only as

1396
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,799
ordinary designs or illustrations in

1397
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:29,760
books or in small limited editions often

1398
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:32,400
handmade circulating among the initiates

1399
00:57:37,270 --> 00:57:34,880
of occult fraternities

1400
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:37,280
meanwhile the traditional game playing

1401
00:57:43,349 --> 00:57:40,559
or esoteric tarot packs continued to be

1402
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produced by card manufacturers ignorant

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of the occult revival

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among surviving pacts of this kind are

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taro d bisancon and the italian tarots

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of bologna piedmont and sicily

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the big change came in 1960 when

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university press new york released the

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first widely available version of the

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weight rider tarot the pack became

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popular in the 1960s generation and

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anything to do with tarot was a

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commercial success the crowley book of

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toth was released in 1969 at about the

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same time

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predictably enough as new tarot for the

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aquarian age 1968 and the aquarian tarot

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1970 a weight rider crib

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after us game systems and stuart r

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kaplan got into the act tarot packs

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proliferated out of all recognition some

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of the newly produced tarots were

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reproductions of traditional packs and

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represented good value like the reissue

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of the oldest extent tarot deck the

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visconti sforza pack of the mid 15th

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century but most were creations or

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artists and occultists with more regard

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for the money-making possibilities of

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the medium and for historical truth

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the new packs mostly came with booklets

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adding further to the occult myths about

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00:59:11,589 --> 00:59:09,359
the origin of the cards the us games

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system also produced often in direct

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sponsorship tarot cards from areas that

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were never part of the tarot tradition a

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spanish tarot a japanese tarot a tantric

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terror a native american tarot a dozen

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00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:24,799
more since the golden dawn was still a

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name to conjure with a golden dawn pack

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00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:30,559
was cobbled together around 1977

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followed in 1980 by a hermetic deck

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00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:36,880
supposedly incorporating the same occult

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mysteries there has been the fergus hall

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00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,599
tarot of the witches featured in a james

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00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,720
bond film an eastern pack a meditation

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pack a pop rock pack

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the results of all this creation of

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00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:51,599
meaningless sets of pretty pictures has

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00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:54,240
been total confusion in the mind of the

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consumer and therefore a very natural

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consumer resistance

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we can look forward to seeing lots of

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expensive tarot packs being sold at

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discount prices over the next few years

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to date there has not been an aboriginal

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dream time pack or an australian

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01:00:17,990 --> 01:00:15,680
colonial or first fleet pack or hawaiian

1459
01:00:19,750 --> 01:00:18,000
kahuna pack but these are probably on

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the drawing boards right now

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to the artists and publishers of such

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01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,640
packs i have a simple message

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you've missed the boat

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tarot is dead at least as far as the

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and at the end it says don leycock is an

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academic linguist who collects playing

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01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,280
cards as a hobby

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01:00:46,230 --> 01:00:43,280
he also creates puzzles and is a member

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of the act committee of australian

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skeptics

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[Music]

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and an interesting report to end this

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01:00:58,710 --> 01:00:56,960
section on

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01:01:00,230 --> 01:00:58,720
and what do the tarot cards have in

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01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:00,240
store for you

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01:01:03,390 --> 01:01:01,920
i think they're telling you

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01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:03,400
to go to

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trove.nla.gov.a you run a search

1479
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:06,400
[Music]

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and you'll never know what you'll find

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[Music]

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01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,000
thank you for listening to the skeptic's

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01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:30,160
own podcast well my test was done it was

1484
01:01:33,589 --> 01:01:31,359
very quick

1485
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:33,599
a bit uncomfortable but that's okay

1486
01:01:37,589 --> 01:01:35,760
and i'm heading back to the skeptic zone

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01:01:39,910 --> 01:01:37,599
studios to put

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01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,920
the edit together for this week's

1489
01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:41,760
episode thank you to those people who

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01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,200
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01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:53,280
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1496
01:02:02,069 --> 01:01:59,359
to keep doing the skeptic's own podcast

1497
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:02,079
every week now for over uh 13 years i

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01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:06,470
coming up on the next episode of the

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01:02:10,069 --> 01:02:08,240
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01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:10,079
really different really interesting and

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01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:12,000
heartwarming in a way

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01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:13,119
maynard

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01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:18,960
interviews

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01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:20,480
his dad

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01:02:29,510 --> 01:02:25,760
memories of

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01:02:31,750 --> 01:02:29,520
the last pandemic or should i say

1507
01:02:34,470 --> 01:02:31,760
the memories he was

1508
01:02:36,390 --> 01:02:34,480
that were around him because he wasn't

1509
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:36,400
quite born with when the last pandemic

1510
01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:40,079
was in the 1918 1919 one

1511
01:02:44,230 --> 01:02:41,920
but he certainly remembers

1512
01:02:45,430 --> 01:02:44,240
bits and pieces from his childhood

1513
01:02:47,510 --> 01:02:45,440
and it's just great to hear from

1514
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,520
maynard's dad so that's coming up on

1515
01:02:51,750 --> 01:02:49,520
next week's episode

1516
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,760
but for this week as i

1517
01:02:56,789 --> 01:02:53,920
wait these uh traffic lights and they're

1518
01:02:59,270 --> 01:02:56,799
about to turn green and

1519
01:03:01,589 --> 01:02:59,280
here we go for this week

1520
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:01,599
this is richard saunders signing off

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01:03:13,990 --> 01:03:12,549
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01:03:18,549 --> 01:03:15,440
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